Post by InstantKarma on Jun 16, 2023 6:19:15 GMT -5
I put these three videos together because IMO it an excellent example of how LORNE tries to manipulate and Gaslight his way out of his disgusting bullshit. Specifically when he's been caught red-handed & has been confronted with clear irrefutable evidence of his actions.
He has no idea at all when the conversation starts what's about to go down & to make matters worse for him he spends the first 10 minutes of the call bitching & moaning about Alex.
There's so much disturbing shit that LORNE says to Jamie & his explanations for saying them make it considerably more disturbing because it proves without a shadow of a doubt that he has no idea or at a minimum doesn't care about being totally inappropriate or respecting boundaries. In fact I'd go as far as to say it's proof that once he thinks there's a relationship between himself and some woman he feels that boundaries don't apply to him EVER again. For example when Debbie disappeared he tried to get back with Winnie who was clear about only wanting to be friends. One call he gets really dirty with her and she says
"You know you're being really inappropriate right?"
And Lorne's response ...
"Yea but it's with the woman I love so it ok."
Back to this call
We know his tactics when in a situation like this & for the most part they stay consistent
Every lie & excuse he says came of the top of his head with the ultimate goal of weaving the story in a way that makes it sound like what happened was actually a good thing because NOW he can finally close the book on his relationship with JAMIE & give Cas3y "100% of me."
This "version " of what happened or REALITY from Lorne's POV is what I'm most interested in.
The video being less of an apology & more of a full blown attempt to take his ridiculous excuse that what he did was really a great thing for both Lorne & Cas3y as it means this is the time to take things to the next level and enter a monogamous relationship.
He actually tells her straight out "
"I can't promise that it's not gonna happen again & you can keep an eye on me as much as you want to."
I think I also need to point out that Cas3y told him more than 9nce that her problem with the texts had absolutely nothing to do with Jealousy. She was not Jealousy that he was talking to her because she they weren't dating & she hadn't even decided if she'd go on a simple date to see what happens from there. She was completely disgusted with him because of the things he said & the way he said them as well as the fact the he was doing it while she had a boyfriend & kept saying those things even though JAMIE never once said or did anything to encourage it , or respond in kind. In fact everytime she pointed it out Lorne would justify it by telling her that she loved when he said those things & that she knew just like he knew that they would always be connected to eachother in that way.
Of course Explaining how he wants things to be then Telling his stalking victim it's exactly she's thinking & feeling even though she's giving no indication at all of it should be renamed THE ARMSTRONG.
Look I've rambled on as usual so here's the thing.
I don't know exactly what makes a thread qualify for pinning but this shows clearly & with a decent amount of detail not only how an
ABUSIVE PARTNER in a relationship uses mental, emotional abuse to get what they want. It also shows how these abusers can be exposed in a way that leaves no room for doubt but still come up with ways to shift the narrative & Gaslight their victim in believing what they want.
Lorne starts by trying to get her to stop talking to a good friend by Gaslighting her into believing shes doing something wrong because it's not how she's supposed to act or treat him.
Then he's caught red-handed doing what he was pissed at her over times 10.
Hes forced to read every disgusting thing he said & its clear as day he was trying to get her back either as his gf or as an fwb. There can be no doubt.
Even with nothing to back him up , he sticks to his bold face lie that what he said isn't bad. She wanted him to talk like that because she loves it & in fact is still in love with him.
From there he says he's not sorry because it means he can close the door & move on .(no idea how it meant that at all)
It means she shouldn't be jealous or worried about Jamie. (Ignoring her explaining that wasn't the case a5 all)
Next day we get the video. He adds a song for good measure. Throws in the fact that he was confused which in his world means he's not responsible. Tells her it's a good thing & now he'll be the perfect boyfriend but its up to her to find out if he's telling the truth by becoming his woman again putting it in a way which makes it sound as if she'd be in the wrong for turning him down.
This is truly Gaslighting in every possible way.
It's unbelievable how he turned it around.
Final question.
What are we seeing here?
Is it a completely delusional Narcissist who believes this bullshit & is taking taking it to what he thinks is the natural progression?
Or is it pure manipulation by a man who knows he got caught, doesn't believe a word of what he said when defending it to cas3y.
Came up with that crazy story because it's all he could think but since he thinks he's the smartest person in the room he decided to use it to trick Cas3y into being his girlfriend so that he can force her to act exactly how ue wants since it makes her his property.