The time Debbie told Lorne exactly how to fix his life...

Beginning Timestamp: 1:11:56

Context: Debbie is once again giving Lorne all the advice he needs to fix his life during one of their calls. Lorne is pretending to be repentant for what he has done in the hopes that he can fool Debbie into thinking he is a good man and he can get her to fly to Maine. They are reading his chatlog and trying to figure out why he went there.

Lorne can't admit he wanted to fuck a child and still convince himself Debbie will want anything to do with him, so he's desperately hoping she will come up with another answer for him during these talks so he can weasel his way out of everything. It is during one of those talks that Debbie begins to lay some serious truths on Lorne and I've decided to transcribe it here:




Debbie: "The reason why I think, just based on you've already shared. Based on the answer that you gave to your assignment. That answer is the reason why. The fact that you haven't opened up to your class and really admitted what you've done, admitted your role as being 100% responsible. Admitting that you are a sexual abuser and a predator. Those are the reasons why you are still in the class."

Lorne: "From the beginning, no, I haven't admitted that from the beginning that it was my fault. That right from the beginning, I haven't admitted it. I've admitted that... after looking at it that it was my fault that I went there. But I told myself I weren't going to go there, but I went there. And the only one who could make the decision to go there was me. 

Debbie: "Mhmmm..." 

Lorne: "But I never admitted to them that right from the beginning that it was my fault. I never read through my fawkin chat log like THIS either. I don't think me and Winnie ever got this far."

Debbie: "Okay, well that's exactly what needs to happen. Because what comes out of your mouth is 'Its my fault. I'm the one who said all those things. I'm the one who went into the house. But I know that I didn't want to!' 

Lorne: "I know this needs to happen. I just hate it. I hate it because I don't want to read this shit...."

Debbie: "Okay, well we're gonna do it."

Lorne: "What's driving you?"

Debbie: "What's driving me?"

Lorne: "Yeah"

Debbie: "What's dirving me is a lot of stuff. What's driving me to go through this with you is that I think that you have been in denial for way too long. And originally when you were talking to Winnie, I hated your relationship."

Lorne: "Why?!"

Debbie: "Because it was destructive. It was abusive. You guys yelled and screamed at each other. You were drinking. She was high. It was a fucking mess. And I kind of started to get more of a picture of how much of a mess you really are. And, I think that I'm a logical person. I'm reasonable. I can help you sort of break things down. And you started to listen to me. So I'm going to use that and hopefully try to get you past all the horseshit you've been doing. It's completely unproductive and it hurts everyone. It hurts you and it hurts the other people around you. I'm not saying that you need to walk into every room that you go into and declare who you are: 'I'm a registered sex offender. I tried to fuck a kid. Here's my chatlog. Here's why I went!'

All that kind of stuff. That's not what this is about. It's about you being able to finally admit the shit that you did. That you are 100% responsible. It doesn't have anything to do with the abuse that you went through as a kid. It has nothing to do with the way people treated you, your relationships with your family, the fact that your friends walked away, you don't have anyone else, the fact that people screwed you over and therefore you HAD to take Betty's money and you HAD to run off to Nashville.

None of it is anyone's fault except for your own because that's the way that you handled it. So people could have done shitty things to you but it was the way that you handled it that turned it into a best for your own life and for the other people that had to then take the brunt of that.

If I'm actually able to get through to you at some point with ANY kind of a pinpoint of light, then GREAT. What I'm hoping is that, at some point, you stand on your own two feet. You don't need to lean on me to make decisions for you. You're actually going to do the right thing on your own because it's the right thing to do, not because you want to make someone else proud for not drinking and driving.

So that you can recognize on your own, that going to Tony's and Wendy's is hurting you. Not just because you are going there to waste time with them for a couple of hours, sit there and watch TV with them, but the fact that you're spending the money that you don't have, but you're also buying the alcohol and you're drinking. And it's just a series of horrible decisions. THAT'S what's driving me.

I mean, when I think about it, and I've SEEN your Youtube channel where you're making the excuses, and they've carried through to today when Winnie first told me about them. Then all of that time, you know, you want people to forget or to be able to move on for something that happened 12 years ago, but you haven't acknowledged that and therefore you can't move on from it either. 

It's about hopefully breaking away from the predatory behavior. It's hopefully getting you to recognize it. And just because someone doesn't know that you're doing it, meaning that someone's not calling you out on it. Meaning as most recently as Rhoda, just because I didn't know what the text messages said, I didn't know the photos that were being shared, I didn't know the conversations that were being had, that doesn't mean that it's okay.

And unfortunately, you weren't able to recognize that that behavior was predatory and that's what scary because when you think about it. you were willing to have a sexual conversation and even engage in sex, if it was available to you, with the daughter of someone that you said you were in love with. So what does that say if you were to have a 'face to face' relationship with someone and THEY had a daughter, who was having whatever feelings towards you and was expressing that in some way, that you would not stop yourself.

You wouldn't do the right thing on your own. And the thing is, you are VERY VERY AWARE OF WHAT THE RIGHT THING IS. Because when I had originally said 'I'm going to get Rhoda's phone.' you knew at that point that I was going to see the conversations that you were having with her. I was going to see the pictures. And your response to that was: 'I'm not perfect, Debbie.' I remember hearing that SO clear. You knew what you were doing.

The only time that you were sorry, once again, was because you were getting busted for it. THAT'S when the tears start. It started back when you got arrested. It started probably when you had your DUI, you probably cried then. You cry when you get busted and you start screaming at your friends and accusing them of things and abusing them on the nights that you're drinking. You cry these apologies. And when you get arrested again, because it's probably going to happen, your luck is going to run out, when you get arrested again, guess what's going to happen? You're going to cry.

You're going to say, 'Why was I so stupid to do that? I know that I didn't' want to!' You're going to be leaning on people who accept those tears, like your mom and your aunt, who just want to be supportive of you, but that doesn't mean that they don't think you're a complete shit head. And unfortunately, their own reaction to the things that you're doing, even though you might think that it's nice and it's sweet and they're being gentle, it's not helping you at all.

So when I say that you were an attempted rapist, you don't like that. But people haven't' been saying that for you for you to actually hear. Because as soon as you hear those words your reaction is 'You don't need to say that! You don't need to use those words! I don't want to hear them!' You have been forcing people, essentially, to be gentle with you because you don't want to hear anything else. Do you understand what I'm saying?"

Lorne: "Yeah, I do.."

Debbie: Okay What am I saying?"

Lorne: "That I've been forcing people to leave me alone." 

Debbie: "You've been wanting them to not see you for who you are. To see you for the thoughts that you've had that have been expressed, and that are known, and that are out there. That are still continuing. It is so crazy for me, Lorne, to think that you would actually target the daughter of somebody that you've said you were in love with. It's so crazy to me. Why did you do that?

Lorne: *Completely missing a chance to change his life for the better.* "....So the thing with you and me was just a game?" 

Debbie: *Honestly shocked.* "REALLY!? IS THAT WHAT YOU GOT?!

Lorne: It's what I-

Debbie: Is this what you're getting from everything that I just said?!

Lorne: "No! This is the thought that's in my head the WHOLE FAWKIN TIME  THAT YOUR TALKING TO ME (*), that - why would you PLAY ME LIKE THAT?!"

Debbie: *Actually thunderstruck here.*  "Lorne!"

Lorne: "I fawkin Love you!"  

Debbie: "You didn't hear a-"

Lorne: "I stressed my ass out over you in the hospital!"

Debbie: "You didn't hear ANYTHING THAT I SAID. You didn't hear anything I said!" 

Lorne: "Yeah, I did."

Debbie: "You didn't-"

Lorne: "I heard everything that you said-"

Debbie: "Then talk to me about what I said. Don't come at me like, as if I have anything to do with ANYTHING I JUST SAID. I was NOT in that scenario. You had asked me 'What is my goal?' Essentially, and I explained it to you, the reasons why I am going through this with you. And your response is, 'So you're playing a game with me?' The reason why you're sitting here and allowing me to go through this with you is because you THINK that I'm going to care more than doing just that. So that tells me that your motivations for doing this has NOTHING to do with getting better."

Lorne: "Right now I don't care what it tells YOU!"

Debbie: "What are you talking about dude?!"

Lorne: "You went way back. It seems like you had this whole thing planned out to play me like you like me just so you could get to this point to HELP me, when you didn't really like me!"

So... there you have it. Lorne literally getting told exactly how to fix his life, exactly why he isn't getting out of Rape Class, and exactly why he is participating in such destructive behavior. And... ALL he can fucking worry about is that at the end of the day, Debbie didn't do all of this because she plans to trot her ass up to Maine to be with him, but rather that disgusting bitch just wants to HELP him with his problems! How fucking sick. 

You can never say that Lorne wasn't told exactly how to get himself out of his current situation. 


*If any of you ever needed proof that Lorne doesn't ever listen when someone is talking, but rather is just thinking of what he is going to say when they stop talking, there is your smoking gun.